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Hollyleaf Vs Stonefur by ElusiveBlaze Hollyleaf Vs Stonefur by ElusiveBlaze
To everyone saying that Hollyleaf is an original character and did everything she thought was right.

(BTW, this is mostly a pro-Stonefur post XD)

I noticed many similarities between the stories of Hollyleaf and Stonefur.

Stonefur is like Hollyleaf, but done right.

Stonefur went through worse scenarios, but ended up better.

Stonefur is one of the best characters in the series.

But why don't as many people like Stonefur than Hollyleaf?

I am stumped.

(I literally drew this in half an hour XD)

EDIT:

Guys, Hollyleaf is not a badass.
She ran away from her problems. That is the weakest and most pathetic thing someone can do.

Stonefur is a badass. He faced his problems head-on.

You like Hollyleaf because of her tragic past? Stonefur's is miles more tragic if that's all you look for in a character!
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:iconkraving4games:
Kraving4games Featured By Owner May 7, 2015  New member Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Lol hollybitch
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Ilovecat3434 Featured By Owner May 7, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
I will always wonder why people like Hollyleaf.
She's annoying as fuck omfg
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MiserabIes Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015
Both are completely different characters in completely different situations bruh
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:iconelusiveblaze:
ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Mar 31, 2015  Student Filmographer
bruh
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Starreon Featured By Owner Edited Feb 15, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I never really got to the books where HollyLeaf comes up and dies.

So let me get this straight. She threatens her mother with deathberries.
She took her adoptive news badly, and got super butthurt by it.
So then she takes it out on Ashfur, because he happened to have known this beforehand and when he thought of telling, she just sorta decides to murder him and then all of a sudden scream out the news at a gathering?
Then, she saved Ivypool, and died.

She saved one cat.

And that counts as a heroic death to everybody.

I'm gonna.
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Please-i-love Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Student Artist
I do understand why she killed Ashfur though, because he tried to kill her and her siblings but it still doesn't make that much sense.
couldn't they like talk about it
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Starreon Featured By Owner Mar 30, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist

Like.
Words before actions would be nice at least.
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:iconelusiveblaze:
ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Student Filmographer
:iconclapplz:
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Starreon Featured By Owner Feb 16, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
//bows//
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Awesome-happykat Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2015  Hobbyist General Artist
Holyleaf comes back from the tunnels and forgives leafpool when she is about to die at the end of the last hope.
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CatFfood Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Um Sontefur actually got mad and refused to believe her.
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ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Student Filmographer
i know, but he did ultimately forgive her like a mature adult would. Hollyleaf never even said sorry.
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aIIygator Featured By Owner Feb 24, 2015
Firestar had to say something in order for Stonefur to forgive her.
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CatFfood Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Ya, but he did try to kill his mother.
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ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Student Filmographer
Because their clans were at war. He and Mistyfoot ended up sparing Bluestar and helped her out of the river when the dogs attacked.

Hollyleaf threatened to force feed her mother, in her own clan, deathberries and never apologized and never gave any form of gesture to imply that she was sorry.
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CatFfood Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
True Hollyleaf did do that, but actually Firestar/heart and Graystripe attacked them and they were forced to retreat. It was also Leopardstar's order.
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ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Feb 11, 2015  Student Filmographer
True, I haven't read Warriors in a very long time, but Mistyfoot and Stonefur did in the end forgive Bluestar, maturely realising that what she did was for the best.
Hollyleaf's just a poorly written, angsty Sue.
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CatFfood Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I agree that Holyleaf was a Sue, but she ended up forgiving her mother. Just as Stonefur had.
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ElusiveBlaze Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2015  Student Filmographer
Well, it must have been halfhearted and shallow because I do not remember any "forgiveness" scene at all XD
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repip400 Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2015  Hobbyist Filmographer
x3
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ThunderHawk547 Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2015
Ugh, I HATE HOLLYLEAF for these exact reasons. Stonefur happens to be one of my favorite characters, too...
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CatFfood Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2015  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
I see your point. But I like them equal.
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015
I agree with this .D.
I hate hollyleaf but like Stonefur better.
Idk why people like hollyleaf better either
their retards if they do
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015
Okay so stone did try to kill his mother
But in a battle
Holly tried to kill leaf
In private
Hmm now who's better
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PHIZBENANDPOKEMONRUL Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
They're* Also, Can I like Hollyleaf AND Stonefur? I just like Hollyleaf more.
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2015
yEah
not that bad
; )
Grammar Police much?
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PHIZBENANDPOKEMONRUL Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, I am commander of Grammar Nazis, Adolf Hityouifyoudon'tspellright.
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2015
Awe fuck you
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
im not a retard
i dont have a disability
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015
oh you take that seriously?
Wow.
Have you heard of a uhm... Joke?
and actually Hollyleaf fans are usually like her - Wimpy, hypocrite, selfish, and a goodie two shoes.
Hollyleaf sucks and Stonefur is way better. At least he died a hero, trying to save kits, trying to save the good clans. Hollyleaf on the other hand raged for no fucking reason and took it out on Ashfur
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
calling someone a 'retard' is not something to fucking joke about

good for you you have your own opinion
i dont think hollyleaf sucks and hollyleaf died a hero as well
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015
Oh who made you my mother? Hmm i dont believe i came out of that. ; ) dude dont fuck joke my god whore.

Hollyleaf did, but at least STONEFUR DIDNT FREAKING TRY TO KILL HIS MOTHER.
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
please before you use insults make sure you know the meaning
whore
hôr/
noun
derogatory
  1. 1.
    a prostitute.
verb
  1. 1.
    (of a woman) work as a prostitute.
    "she spent her life whoring for dangerous men"
    synonyms:work as a prostitute, sell one's body, sell oneself, be on the streets
    "she spent her life whoring
Stonefur did try to kill Bluestar, go back and read.
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015
Stone fur tried to kill her when in battle and he did not know******
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
He still tried to kill her. 
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Viiolntmiisry Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015
i know what a whore is fucker
aww i cant sorry, they are for fucking 8 year olds! I dont read that shit anymore ; )
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
im obviously a fucker

they're not for 8 year olds, they're more directed towards preteens
you're pretty much a hypocrite too
your first comment says "their retards if they do"
it should be they're, not their.
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frozenboundary Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015  Hobbyist Writer
*farts*
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Jan 6, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
*Hollyleaf forgave Leafpool and Squirrelflight way before her asshole brothers. 
*The reaction to the news wasn't just a few unfriendly remarks. Jayfeather was nearly killled from it, as well as Poppyfrost, who was pregnant. Leafpool stepped down from her medicine cat duty, and Brambleclaw went through depression.
*So Hollyleaf is weak and pathetic for wanting to die? Is that basically what you're saying? "She ran away from her problems. That is the weakest and most pathetic thing someone can do."
*Stonefur tried to kill his mother. Hollyleaf only made threats.
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illness-the-wolf Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Stone fur was at battle with TC, and him and misty foot got blue star cornered. Blue star then told them who their real mother was. They had every right to be angry, she abandoned them to become deputy. I'm sorry, but her kits should have come first. I, my self, would not have forgiven her.
Leaf pool had no choice. And holly leaf tried to force feed her mom. That's unacceptable.
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Believe me, I wouldn't forgive Bluestar either. She one of my least favorite characters. But trying to kill your mother isn't an excuse. Even before they knew she was their mother, they were trying to kill a Clan leader, which is one of the worst things a cat can do.
Leafpool had no choice? She did. She didn't have to run off with Crowfeather. Hollyleaf didn't try to, she only threatened, which is terrible but there is a huge difference between making threats and actually attempting to murder.
My point is neither cat made good decisions. I just don't think people realize Hollyleaf was depressed and tried to do what she thought was best, but her devotion to the code and finding out that he own existence went against it blinded her common sense. In the end she was a good cat, and regretted killing Ashfur and behaving the way she did toward Squirrelflight and Leafpool.
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illness-the-wolf Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah, blue star sucks.
But why is it so bad to kill a leader? They have nine lives. It's worse to kill a warrior, who only has one. Either way, I'm not sure stone fur was actually going to kill her or not.

And I'm not sure holly leaf was just "threatening". It sounded like she was going to MAKE leaf pool eat the berries, until leaf pool talked to her out of it. And At least when stone fur was attacking blue star, he didn't know she was his mother. Holly leaf knew leaf pool was her mom.

No, leaf pool didn't have to run away with crow feather. I'm nit even sure how she got pregnant. She was with him for one day. But she did have to give up her kits. And really, she did the better thing. If holly leaf knew right from the start that her birth was never supposed to happen, she would have been a wreck. Blue star was giving her kits to river clan for no good reason. If it was my kit, I would have ran away with them, and raised them on my own, maybe starting a new clan. I don't like leaf pool, what she did was still very wrong, but she wanted the best. Holly leaf was being crazy, and pretty stupid. In the end, and beginning, she was a good cat. But what happened, and how overrated she is, ruined her for me.
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I mean its bad in the warriors universe to kill a leader. Doesn't really make much sense to me either. I don't know, he was already attacking her.

She never acted out on what she said. That's threatening. She didn't try to kill her, she only made threats. Either way it is terrible.

I know Hollyleaf made terrible choices, but my whole point is, morally, Stonefur isn't better than her, and neither is she better than Stonefur. I do like Hollyleaf better though, because she is the most realistic of the two. Her reaction was pretty believable considering her loyalty to the code, hearing her own father call her nothing, and being traumatized and nearly burned alive. Plus her development is very well done. I guess I can't hate her for killing Ashfur and threatening Leafpool because Leafpool and Ashfur are two of my most hated characters, so I don't have sympathy for them. And I don't see Hollyleaf as overrated, because I don't look at the fandom much, so luckily for me she hasn't been ruined.
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illness-the-wolf Featured By Owner Feb 13, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
I do some what understand hollyleaf.
Just today I threatened a person I would kill them too. I never really would though.

Atleast she kind of tried to do the right thing, though it's kind of messed up she killed ashfur. He's one of my favorite characters.
Me and hollyleaf are kind of alike, so that's probably why I hate her sometimes XD
She is way more realistic than stonefur, but stonefur wasn't in the book very much, so he didn't have much of a chance to be realistic. And we can't base his personality off of his death. There where a few times when he was kind of a jerk, but I like those cats sometimes.
Hollyleaf was one of the most realistic cats I Must say. She screwed up a lot. But I guess we all do.
I don't hate her for threatening leafpool. Leaf pool isn't one of my favorites either. But like I said, I love ashfur. And some hollyleaf fans get on my nerves. I guess that's why I hate her. I have changed my view on her a bit though.
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
This is why I love you.
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:3c
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feathertawny Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
:heart:
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
uwu
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ScarfedStorm Featured By Owner Edited Jan 14, 2015
Wait... Stonefur didn't try to kill Bluestar..?

And Hollyleaf tried to make Leafpool eat deathberries, is that not trying to kill her?

Just sayin'
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ScoutieSaurus Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yeah he did. 

She didn't force her too. She only made threats but never acted on them. Stonefur physically attacked Bluestar and told her he'd kill her if she didn't fight back. 

Really in these situations neither cat made the right choice
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